Project Update #104: Shenmue 3 by Ys Net

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Hello Everyone,

Regarding the recently announced Epic Games Store exclusive, all of us here at YSNET, Deep Silver and Epic are taking the matter with utmost concern and would like to clarify the circumstances leading to the decision and offer backers options for moving forward.



As noted in the updates and survey at launch, we had originally planned for PC distribution through Steam. Taking publishing and sales considerations into account, YSNET and Deep Silver agreed to our partnership with Epic Games Store on PC version distribution. As a publishing partner, Deep Silver has greatly contributed not only to sales and marketing, but to scaling up the game so there is more Shenmue III to begin with. Also, Epic Games has been with us from the start of the project when we adopted Unreal Engine 4 for development, and have given us their support throughout the development process.



In response to backers who have requested Steam keys for their rewards, we discussed offering the keys on the day of release. However, coordination with the sales policies of the involved companies was untenable, and as a result we are not able to make a day one distribution option for Steam keys available.



That we are not able to offer Steam keys for Kickstarter rewards at the time of the game’s release is a great disappointed and inconvenience for those backers who were expecting to receive them. We deeply apologize for the unrest caused by the announcement.



Response Policy

The team would like to offer the following:



Version Availability

a. PC Physical: Package (Disc) + EGS Key

b. PC Digital: EGS Key

c. PS4 Physical: Package (Disc)

d. PS4 Digital: PSN Voucher Code

*If selecting either the PC Physical or PC Digital version, an option to also receive a Steam key one year later will be available. Backers must manually select this option in the survey to receive the Steam key.

**If you had previously selected PC and want to change to PS4 or vice versa, you may do so.



Survey Implementation

We are currently working on the necessary changes to the backer survey system. We ask for your patience as there will be a short wait while the preparations are made. Once the survey changes have been implemented, there will be an announcement here in the updates with details and notice of the survey response period. (Changes to your shipping address may still be made through the backer survey up until shipping begins.)



Concerning Refunds

Along with Deep Silver and Epic Games, we have agreed that should the above proposal not be acceptable to backers, refund requests will be honored.

Details concerning the refund request process will be announced in a following update. We ask for your patience until that time.

*In the case rewards within your reward tier, such as in-game content, have already been created and implemented, a full refund may not be possible.



PS4 Region Selection

PS4 regions are automatically set based on the country information answered the through your backer survey. However, there will be an option through the backer survey that will allow you to change your PS4 region during the Survey Response Period. If you would like to change your PS4 region, you will be able to select from four regions: US, EU, Japan and Asia. An announcement will be made when the option is added to the survey.

SIEE: Europe / Middle East / Africa / Oceania

SIEA: North America / Middle America / South America

SIE Japan: Japan

SIE Asia: Asia (excl. Mainland China and Japan)



PC Physical version

The PC Physical version will be delivered on disk. However, the disk will contain the Epic Games Store installer and not the actual game data.

*Please note, if your region selection differs from the PS4 system region or the console setting, PlayStation™Network online services or DLC may not function properly.

**Also, please be aware that a PS4 "cross region" selection may cause a shipping delay.

About stretch goal

We have provided below an explanation on differences between the stretch goals that were promised during the campaign and the actual elements implemented in the final version.



Stretch Goals Reached and Final Implementation
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Some stretch goals that were reached during the campaign were not able to be implemented. There were also stretch goals not reached that were able to be implemented. Development began in line with the stretch goal content, but with the addition of sales partners during production, we were able to increase our development budget. In order to maximize game quality under the adjusted budget, game planning was fundamentally altered and ultimately allowed us to incorporate a number of different elements beyond our original expectations. Listed here are the major changes.



Campaign Stretch Goal Elements

Achieved stretch goal elements not implemented


・Character Perspective System (Implementation could not be achieved in this game.)



Achieved stretch goal elements changed

・Skill Tree System was changed to the Skill Book System to better fit the battling style.

・Baisha area changed to Fortified Castle area. Mini-games, infiltration event, battle event, investigation and battle event have been implemented in the Fortified Castle area.



Stretch goal elements not achieved but implemented

・Please see the image above. 10 of the unreached elements will be included in the game.



Non-Stretch Goal Elements

Story Improvements


・Shenmue III begins the day after Shenmue II leaves off. The story now includes more cinematic scenes and nostalgic flashbacks to naturally draw new players in (and fans back in) to the world of Shenmue.



Scaled Up Free Roaming Enviroment

・Initially, the Guilin area was to be organized into three areas: Bailu, Choubu (Niaowu), and Baisha, but to accommodate major additions and changes to game elements, Baisha became Fortified Castle area, and focus shifted to expanding Choubu (Niaowu). We have in effect been able to achieve a scale greater than that of Shenmue II and bring the fun of an "open world" to life. To better experience quests and events, NPCs and things to interact with in the cities have been multiplied beyond what was originally envisioned making for a more complete Shenmue experience.



Powered Up Battle System

・With the inclusion of the Skill Book System and the Dojo System, you can train or have matches any time you want for deeper, more immersive play. Battle difficulty can be changed in-game to be enjoyable for beginners all the way to experts.



Game Cycle Improvements

・Story progression, skill acquisition, training, mini-games, jobs and other elements that were independent from each other in previous games have been worked to flow into a singular game cycle.




Message from Yu Suzuki

I first want to thank all of you for your enduring support from the bottom of my heart. This announcement was made in the coordination of all our partners. As such, it was not presented in a timely fashion which I apologize for. We have at last been able to report the results of the project team's review of the EGS exclusive distribution deal.



The project team is currently concentrating on finishing up to release the game. We are working hard to deliver a game better than hoped even if by a little for the announced release date. Along with the significant project changes at the heart of this announcement, there have been many other changes since our original assumptions. I believe, however, that the game overall has been strengthened and that Shenmue III has assuredly been transformed and is heading in a positive direction.



Thank you always for your support.
 
Summary:
  • Backers who choose EGS key on Day 1 can also request a Steam key after a year (you will need to specify this on the updated survey when it goes live)
  • Refund requests are to be opened soon
  • Changing PC reward to PS4 is still possible
  • Option to change PS4 region to be added to the survey (though you may encounter shipping delays if you do)
  • PC Disc will contain EGS installer, not actual game data
  • 10 unreached stretch goals have been implemented into the final game
  • Character Perspective system has been scrapped
  • Baisha has been changed to 'Fortified Castle Area' to accomodate 'major changes and additions', still has minigames and battle events
  • Scale of game is greater than Shenmue II
  • Shenmue III starts one day after Shenmue II. Story now has more cinematic and nostalgic scenes
  • Yu Suzuki apologises for the delay in clarifying the EGS situation
 
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Nice that they listened. Although while this whole EGS stuff will steal the show, the worst thing I see in this updates here is that Baisha basically died and the Character Perspective System did too.
 
Finally. While I am still extremely against Epic's anti consumer and and anti competitive actions and I still ultimately think it would be better if backers could get it on the platform they backed it for day 1, I can appreciate the complications due to the circumstances at play and I think this is the best solution anyone is going to get, and I guess I approve of it on YSNet's par

So, does this confirm the data is on the disc for PC Physica backers? But they are also giving a way an Epic code even though the data is on the disc?

What is stopping people from just selling the epic code? Or just opting for the 1 year late Steam code? xD

Anyway, I am thankful that YSNet finally responded and hopefully there will now be less toxicity in the fan base now that certain concerns have been clarified.
 
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Credit where credit is due, this seems to be the best possible response to the situation and a lot of clarity has been provided regarding other aspects of the game.

It reads as though they will be refunding full pledges rather than just the value of the game too which if anything seems to be overly generous. Let’s hope that not too many people take up this option.

I still can’t help but feel that had the update that informed us of the EGS deal been written on this way then a lot of the drama could have been avoided. Either way, they can move forward now.
 
The Epic situation is fine, it doesn't effect me but the disc version will likely upset some as it is only a code.

Personally issuing a refund or replacement was the right thing to do if they couldn't get Steam Keys day 1.

Baisha: Well they've implemented the features so I don't mind. I'd rather a fuller game experience over all that it be spread too thinly. Character perspective again not fussed.

Great update! Hopefully we can now move on and into November and enjoy the game coming out!
 
I think they did all they could to be honest.
People who wanted refounds will get them, and people who wanted a physical dis for Epic will also get it.
This was a very good update IMO.
Suzuki seems be aware of all the fuss going one and semns to have done all he could.
I hope this leaves people hapier.
By the way!
Our concerns were almost right!!
Baisha is not in the game! (probably in Shenmue4) And there is a new (smaller?) area instead!
 
Looks like PC players will need to change their survey answers to get a steam key when available. That sounds fine to me as long as the original copy isn't revoked. And at least they are having a disc. It won't have all the data on it, but it's better than a piece of paper.

IMO they handled this pretty well.

Edit: I wonder if there will be an option to transfer saves from the EGS version to steam. Maybe it'll save in the same place.
 
The Epic situation is fine, it doesn't effect me but the disc version will likely upset some as it is only a code.

Personally issuing a refund or replacement was the right thing to do if they couldn't get Steam Keys day 1.

Baisha: Well they've implemented the features so I don't mind. I'd rather a fuller game experience over all that it be spread too thinly. Character perspective again not fussed.

Great update! Hopefully we can now move on and into November and enjoy the game coming out!


Honestly, Baisha just feel like a name change at this point. Reasonable people expected it to be a more "story focused" part.
 
Finally. While I am still extremely against Epic's anti consumer and and anti competitive actions and I still ultimately think it would be better if backers could get it on the platform they backed it for day 1, I can appreciate the complications due to the circumstances at play and I think this is the best solution anyone is going to get, and I guess I approve of it on YSNet's par

So, does this confirm the data is on the disc for PC Physica backers? But they are also giving a way an Epic code even though the data is on the disc?

What is stopping people from just selling the epic code? Or just opting for the 1 year late Steam code? xD

Anyway, I am thankful that YSNet finally responded and hopefully there will now be less toxicity in the fan base now that cwrtain concerns have been clarified.

No. The disc is an Epic Games installer and download launcher.
 
Angry responses incoming... scam accusations incoming... See you in a few days when the hyperbole and silliness dies down.

I wouldn’t think so. There’s not much people can complain if they’re offering refunds and everything they possibly can really.

At least I hope not.
 
Baisha has just been changed to Fortified castle area. It still has all the stuff that was supposed to be in Baisha, apart from the character perspective system. They chose to build out Choubu and make the last area more focussed, I guess, which is what we all expected.

So Steam keys a year after launch and refunds for those who aren't happy? They nailed it. Good on them.
 
I'm fine with my physical edition and EGS key and then a free additional Steam key a year later.
As long as I get to play it at launch and then get to play it again a year later on steam, I'm happy.
I have purchased many physical PC versions (some collectors editions) before that have no disc and just a code, so not bothered.
 
Nice that they listened. Although while this whole EGS stuff will steal the show, the worst thing I see in this updates here is that Baisha basically died and the Character Perspective System did too.
It seems that all of the content we would have gotten is included in one way or another anyway. I expect it will just be a slightly smaller area than was once planned with a different name.

As for the character perspective system, was I the only one that wasn’t at all keen on this idea? For me, this has always been Ryo’s story and walking in his footsteps kind of made it feel like mine by extension. The idea of suddenly taking control of another character wasn’t one that interested me in that sense and I’m not at all disappointed to see the idea dropped (especially if doing so lead to improvements being made elsewhere).
 
Summary:
  • Backers can choose EGS key on Day 1 or Steam key after a year (you will need to specify this on your survey)

*If selecting either the PC Physical or PC Digital version, an option to also receive a Steam key one year later will be available. Backers must manually select this option in the survey to receive the Steam key.
 
I think I will change my copy to ps4 and carry on from their. I can look forward to a steam version later with achievements and features that EGS doesn't have while still getting to enjoy game at release.
 
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