Shadow of Memories/Destiny - Have Shenmue fans played this?

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I read up recently about the PSP version having an alternative version to the lost couple elsewhere - and so it did! It took a lot more effort as you had to find them as they moved around within the same chapters + you had to do the same young couple quest in the present to reach a conclusion - well there's no appearance of the man in chapter 8 if you don't anyway. So I made another video exploring it today - it's a lot longer as I felt i show how to get to them too.
 
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In the games defense there is a narrative reason as to why Eike is considered less interesting than some of the characters he encounters - mind you Ryo has faced similar criticism for his interaction skills but I think both are more than serviceable and very likeable. But with Eike especially there is strong narrative reasoning, I won't spoil it but the games Ending D explains it all (I also think this is the most compelling ending of all!)

I'm sorting hoping after Konami's Release of Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2 on GOG that we me say this game get similar treatment. However, I'm not sure if they have the rights to the original voice acting. I don't know all the details but I know there was a lot of issue for Konami regarding the voice acting rights for Silent Hill 2 & 3 - which is why Silent Hill 3's HD re-release on PS3/360 had a new set of voice overs. Shadow of Memories got a PSP port which also features a new set of voice acting - not terrible but I prefer the original still. But I am wondering if this change is in the same vain as the Shilent Hill HD Collection & if so moving the PC release might not be as simple - As the PC release features the original voice acting.
 
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Made another video, showing the dialogue variations of a particular scene when re-done. The last scene is pretty fun so I have started the video there but put all the previous scenes in the video for context:

I've also been adding some Artwork from the Japans official guide, not seen much media online for the game so thought I'd help. I've never used a Fandom site before so still getting used to it but you can see the artwork scans here:
 
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Yes! I have now finished all the endings. I liked the B1 ending and the A ending. The Ex ending was good but..

Did Eckarts daughter (the baby) and his wife survive..? Were they never killed in this ending? Why did the ball kicking kid look like Hugo?If Margarete actucally was Eckarts daughter and the artificial being never came to life.. what happened with the past if he never mixed up the babies? Didn't Dana (dressed in Red) actually belong to the past?

I probably got something wrong. Other than that this game was amazingly good for being so old.
Sadly, there won't be a sequel or a remake of this one.
 
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Yes! I have now finished all the endings. I liked the B1 ending and the A ending. The Ex ending was good but..

Did Eckarts daughter (the baby) and his wife survive..? Were they never killed in this ending? Why did the ball kicking kid look like Hugo?If Margarete actually was Eckarts daughter and the artificial being never came to life.. what happened with the past if he never mixed up the babies? Didn't Dana (dressed in Red) actually belong to the past?

I probably got something wrong. Other than that this game was amazingly good for being so old.
Sadly, there won't be a sequel or a remake of this one.
When it comes to the EX. Ending, I like to think of it as a 'What if' scenario rather than the canon Ending (Could be wrong on that though :p)

Some of the details you asked in regards to Miriam & the baby are explored within Chapter 6, it does take a little effort though :) But if you mean jsut by going on Ex's ending, that's up for interpretation. The incident could have still happened. Homunculus didn't shoot Miriam but turned up at the right time to snatch the baby. & Yes you're correct about the origins of the girls :)

As for the boy who looks like Hugo, my theory is going by Ex's ending both 'Hugo' & 'Eike' we see in that scene aren't them characters at all but future relatives from the Wagner family back in 1500. Throughout the game we see many relatives looking very similar so I think it is the case with these two individuals too.

Glad you had fun with it! I still keep finding little moments years later - Like in Chapter 1, I never knew if you waited unti lthe Bar opens in the past (14:00), you can actually inform the Barman of a fire! Usually I'd run to the back of the bar and chase the criminal away so to see an alterntative way to tackle this chapter was great!
 
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When it comes to the EX. Ending, I like to think of it as a 'What if' scenario rather than the canon Ending (Could be wrong on that though :p)

Some of the details you asked in regards to Miriam & the baby are explored within Chapter 6, it does take a little effort though :) But if you mean jsut by going on Ex's ending, that's up for interpretation. The incident could have still happened. Homunculus didn't shoot Miriam but turned up at the right time to snatch the baby. & Yes you're correct about the origins of the girls :)

As for the boy who looks like Hugo, my theory is going by Ex's ending both 'Hugo' & 'Eike' we see in that scene aren't them characters at all but future relatives from the Wagner family back in 1500. Throughout the game we see many relatives looking very similar so I think it is the case with these two individuals too.

Glad you had fun with it! I still keep finding little moments years later - Like in Chapter 1, I never knew if you waited unti lthe Bar opens in the past (14:00), you can actually inform the Barman of a fire! Usually I'd run to the back of the bar and chase the criminal away so to see an alterntative way to tackle this chapter was great!
Very interesting!
Yeah I know he didn't shoot her, but who did it? I intuitively thought Hugo did it. I defenetly liked ending A.
But in a way Ex was better but it didn't have enough details I think.

Do you have any favorite character(s) in the game?
 
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Maybe Hugo did, but I haven't seen much evidence to back this up - Maybe the motive was to blackmail Mr. Eckart? But I really think this was the action of desperate criminal in the Era - & Homonculus turned up at the right time for the Baby plan. As for Endings, my favourite is D as I feel it is by far the most compelling in how it shows Dr. Wagners fate and what it means for Eike.
As for characters there are many I adore, much like how I felt with Shenmue 1 many of the NPC's have so much charm and are very well defined. Oleg Franssen is one of my favourites with his quirky - & Powers which are to be reckoned with :p

My favourite however is Mr. Eckart. He's such a tragic character and the remorse he feels as he confessed to Eike is so tangible! One of my favourite quotes from any form of media is within that conversation:
That comb - it made me realize something. There are people in your life who care about you - such an obvious fact really. No one is alone, and for every death, there's hell to pay for everyone around them. Sometimes, it isn't just memories that are left behind, it's pain, and sorrow. I should know better than anyone else After everything I went through all those years ago.
How about you? :)
 
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