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[Spoiler] Do you think we will visit Baisha in Shenmue IV?

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So I just found out that Baisha was supposed to be the latter chapter after Guilin (yes it's an individual chapter separated from Guilin which is consisted of Bailu Village and Niaowu), at least that's the case when the original script for The Legend of Akira was written.

Earlier today I revisited Game Informer's Inside The Bizarre Development Of Shenmue III article, and there's one picture caught my eye I never noticed before. The original scripts for Virtua Fighter RPG.

Since I can read Kanji, I figured out the texts on the spines.

From top to bottom:

~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter II Hong Kong (~晶の章~ 第二章 香港)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter III Suzhou (~晶の章~ 第三章 蘇州)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter IV Guilin (~晶の章~ 第四章 桂林)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter V Baisha (~晶の章~ 第五章 白沙)
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Do you think we will eventually visit Baisha in Shenmue IV?

Or maybe we will visit Xi'an or Luoyang instead (as it's shown on the map in Chai's room) if the the chapter was entirely cut and became a half-hour long area that's Fortified Castle which kinda explained why the ending felt rushed.



By the way, it's also worth mentioning that the word "Baisha" (白沙) literally means "White Sand" or "White Desert" in Chinese which somewhat implies that it could be a snowy place. Speaking of snowy, Niaosun used to show up in a snow scene in an old promotional trailer:
 
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So I just found out that Baisha was supposed to be the latter chapter after Guilin (yes it's an individual chapter separated from Guilin which is consisted of Bailu Village and Niaowu), at least that's the case when the original script for The Legend of Akira was written.

Earlier today I revisited Game Informer's Inside The Bizarre Development Of Shenmue III article, and there's one picture caught my eye I never noticed before. The original scripts for Virtua Fighter RPG.

Since I can read Kanji, I figured out the texts on the spines.

From top to bottom:

~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter II Hong Kong (~晶の章~ 第二章 香港)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter III Suzhou (~晶の章~ 第三章 蘇州)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter IV Guilin (~晶の章~ 第四章 桂林)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter V Baisha (~晶の章~ 第五章 白沙)
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Do you think we will eventually visit Baisha in Shenmue IV?

Or maybe we will visit Xi'an or Luoyang instead (as it's shown on the map in Chai's room) if the the chapter was entirely cut and became a half-hour long area that's Fortified Castle which kinda explained why the ending felt rushed.

Nice find dude. I think it's a given that Baisha will be in Shenmue 4. Hell it might be where the game starts?
 
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This is really nice, thanks for sharing with us. I think Baisha will be where the game starts.
 
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Amazing find!

Even though a lot of Baisha's planned events transpired at Niaowu Castle, I can see Yu re-using Baisha.

It makes sense since he has already researched and developed the location (especially its Tolou buildings) during Shenmue 3's development. Early Shenmue 3 videos even showed off some Baisha footage (notice the Tulou).


Most likely, this map has now been moved to Shenmue 4 to give them a head-start?
 
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My guess would be that plot contents of Baisha would be confronting Lan Di, losing the mirror to Naio Sun, having the Chi You Men civil war start. etc and it is all condensed into the fort part of Shenume 3, which is why it feels rushed and incomplete because it was massively condensed to fit into the game. We're obviously moved on to a different location already for the start of 4 and the plot was cut so Baisha was part of 3, so I'd be surprised if we went back to revisit now.
 
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Another telling indication that Baisha might be repurposed is that we're headed to a temple in the mountains, and Baisha is a village surrounded by mountains.

Yu could reuse the work he did on Baisha and maybe remix what’s already been made (tulous etc) with later chapter aesthetics whose GDC 2014 concept art seems to indicate mountain locations (Chapters 7 & 8) to create the ultimate mountain village that covers all those story events.

We could start in Baisha village to train with monks, play mini-games and other FREE exploration bits before heading up the mountain to the temple for the more cinematic, story-driven part. I could see that being the first location.
 
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Another telling indication that Baisha might be repurposed is that we're headed to a temple in the mountains, and Baisha is a village surrounded by mountains.

Yu could reuse the work he did on Baisha and maybe remix what’s already been made (tulous etc) with later chapter aesthetics whose GDC 2014 concept art seems to indicate mountain locations (Chapters 7 & 8) to create the ultimate mountain village that covers all those story events.

We could start in Baisha village to train with monks, play mini-games and other FREE exploration bits before heading up the mountain to the temple for the more cinematic, story-driven part. I could see that being the first location.
This could be possible since the purpose of the Baisha part was to infiltrate the Chi You Men stronghold and the ending of Shenmue 3 mentions that the CYM control the cliff temple area. Hopefully this means a proper introduction to Niao Sun and the introduction of the other leaders, but I might just be being optimistic.

~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter II Hong Kong (~晶の章~ 第二章 香港)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter III Suzhou (~晶の章~ 第三章 蘇州)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter IV Guilin (~晶の章~ 第四章 桂林)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter V Baisha (~晶の章~ 第五章 白沙)
Good Find! This is really interesting since it contrasts what was shown of the chapters at GDC. I guess this means that the story was being rewritten early on. I would really love for Suzuki to release these original scripts some day.

Interestingly, The tulous in Baisha are from Fujian which is just south of Suzhou. I don't know if it makes sense to dart back and forth in China so I'm guessing that Baisha was just supposed to be a new area near Guilin.
 
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So I just found out that Baisha was supposed to be the latter chapter after Guilin (yes it's an individual chapter separated from Guilin which is consisted of Bailu Village and Niaowu), at least that's the case when the original script for The Legend of Akira was written.

Earlier today I revisited Game Informer's Inside The Bizarre Development Of Shenmue III article, and there's one picture caught my eye I never noticed before. The original scripts for Virtua Fighter RPG.

Since I can read Kanji, I figured out the texts on the spines.

From top to bottom:

~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter II Hong Kong (~晶の章~ 第二章 香港)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter III Suzhou (~晶の章~ 第三章 蘇州)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter IV Guilin (~晶の章~ 第四章 桂林)
~The Legends of Akira~ Chapter V Baisha (~晶の章~ 第五章 白沙)
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Do you think we will eventually visit Baisha in Shenmue IV?

Or maybe we will visit Xi'an or Luoyang instead (as it's shown on the map in Chai's room) if the the chapter was entirely cut and became a half-hour long area that's Fortified Castle which kinda explained why the ending felt rushed.



By the way, it's also worth mentioning that the word "Baisha" (白沙) literally means "White Sand" or "White Desert" in Chinese which somewhat implies that it could be a snowy place. Speaking of snowy, Niaosun used to show up in a snow scene in an old promotional trailer:

Well they were defintely traveling North if that means anything.

The ruins of the abandoned part of the Great Wall that they were walking on in the end (which are not connected to the current Great Wall which is even further up North) show that as much...
 
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Looking at those books, I wonder if the cancelled Suzhou chapter inspired Niaowu.

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Whats this a shot of?


Niaowu was def inspired by Fenghuang Ancient Town/Phoenix Ancient City
I just did a Google search for "Suzhou" and got that. Its a city near Shanghai that's known for its canals. It's even called "The Venice of the Orient", apparently.

Looks like Yu wanted to include a canal city before we got to Guilin. I wonder if this inspired Niaowu, which yeah, now definitely resembles Fenghuang a lot more.
 
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I just did a Google search for "Suzhou" and got that. Its a city near Shanghai that's known for its canals. It's even called "The Venice of the Orient", apparently.

Looks like Yu wanted to include a canal city before we got to Guilin. I wonder if this inspired Niaowu, which yeah, now definitely resembles Fenghuang a lot more.

Well those canals look a lot narrower than the river that passes through Fenghuang.
but tbf, not only does Fenghuang have actual stone pathways you can walk across which have been there for centuries, but they have an actual bridge lol. But Yu wanted to keep things more simple
 
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It's possible but I think that ship has sailed. I hope I'm wrong. It was a huge mistep programming Niaowu before Baisha. Niawu had no story relevance at all. and what was there could have been moved to other chapters. Like Ren should have popped up in Bailu, not Niawu and everything else could have just been moved to Baisha.
 
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I think Shenmue IV including Baisha woulda make some of the Shenmue III critics (myself included) ease up a bit.

Hopefully we won’t have to wait too long to find out.
 
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