Do you guys buy or actively consume Rated M/or R-rated media?

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I just took inv recently and was surprised at my stash I've accumulated over time.

Games/books/comics/film...etc.

Feel free to give a general idea or share a list.

My biggest stash is def games.

I have a modest amount of comics.

A niche collection of films(mostly horrors).

And my least amount is books. Like a few raunchy romance novels. I'm thinking about donating them to a library or something. I get bored after a couple of chapters, just can't feel it.

And idk about you guys but...I do got a couple of Audio dramas as well.
 
I don’t necessarily go out of my way to find anything particularly violent or raunchy, but I do think my tastes have gravitated more towards some explicit stuff over the years. But then again, I think I was exposed to some crazy stuff pretty early. I guess the main thing isn’t so much about the content itself though, but rather just feeling like the possibilities are limited if the ratings only allow for so much to happen within any given story.
 
I am a paradox in that I can consume some of the sickest films known to man (Saló, Irreversible, Cannibal Holocaust etc), but i'm a massive prude when it comes to TV. I find stuff like Game of Thrones too much for me (although I admit to having never watched it) and find that a lot of TV is oversexualised, but I grew up in a time when TV was rather sanitised. I do worry about the habits of the generation under me who is exposed to this stuff much easier than we did.

It's a tough one as the thrill of watching something naughty is rather appealing to me, but as i'm maturing i'm finding that being dark for the sake of it is rather tedious. I also think that when I watch nasty films of say the 70's and 80's, there's a disconnect in that I know i'm watching a film whereas nowadays, everything is so slick that it feels somewhat worse.

I won't lie and admit that I have watched the odd pink movie and hentai, but it's more out of curiosity than anything else. I find Japanese culture fascinating and what they find acceptable is less so in the UK (i'm sure it's the same the other way around).
 
I really want to watch Salo, but only because it was done by Pasolini (one of the Italian directors I studied and wrote about heavily in University); Accatone, Mamma Roma and La Ricotta (starring Orson Welles! :D:D:D:D) are a brilliant trio, but have been the only films I've seen by him (the latter two, about 5 times each) and am eager to look at more of his works.

Gore is only ok with me if there is no torture involved (though there are exceptions; Apostle being one) and films like Robocop or Total Recall (obviously due to Verhoeven), I don't mind it at all.

Wrong Turn or other horror films like that though, I'm not interested. Not because I'm squeamish, but because I have too much empathy lol (yes, even for fictional characters, I have empathy :().

Nudity/sex/lewdness however, I have no issue with; tasteful or tasteless. Even H*nt** I have no issues with, mainly because I don't get off on any of this (that's reserved for my wife and P*rn), but I enjoy watching for the ridiculousness of story (Viper GTS. Just hilarious XD) or plot (like Kite, for example): Kite, specifically, is awesome and quite well-done (but melancholic). Hell, the quick bits of nudity in Akira and GitS don't bother me either, but if they make sense with the story and that is the creator's vision, then by all means, do what you want.

I just don't like to see living creatures be unnecessarily hurt, maimed or killed, especially if it is tasteless. I'm indifferent on insects lol

Sorry for starring things out; typing at work.
 
I want to watch Pasolini's Arabian Nights trilogy! The only other films of his i've seen is 'The Gospel According to St. Matthew' and a documentary which name escapes me. Both are great! If you do watch Saló, don't do what I did and eat chocolate whilst watching it...you'll regret it! My mate bought it for me as an Xmas gift (!) in return for giving him Harmony Korine's 'Trash Humpers' and it took me 6 months to watch it as I was too scared. I had to have a friend come watch it with me haha.

Yeah, torture for the sake of it is off putting unless it's psychological torture (the works of Michael Haneke for example). Sometimes, being over the top can be great fun like Troma movies or the early works of Peter Jackson. As for sex, i'm OK with it, but again, am very prudish when it comes to TV or anything involving teenagers (unless it's something comedic like American Pie). While I think about it, corny slasher films like Friday the 13th and its ilk are OK for me as it's kinda harmless these days. Ultimately, it comes down to intent. Some great works have been done that push the boundaries.

The few hentai and pink eiga i've watched have been pretty plot heavy, so I can give it a pass. My thought is if the sex/violence can be taken away and it doesn't affect the movie, then it probably doesn't need to be there in the first place.

Yeah, stuff like the Italian grindhouse movies is great fun, but with stuff like Cannibal Holocaust and films of its ilk, the animal cruelty is upsetting and unnecessary. I know that the director did an edit cutting out the animal cruelty, so I appreciate that.

I've watched a couple of fantastic documentaries about the Video Nasty panic of the early 80's in the UK and it's basically been my guide of films to watch haha! Most of them are laughable today (e.g.: Zombie Lake).
 
I'm glad the discussion is level headed and didn't derailed into shits and giggles. I'm very surprised(and glad) about the mention of Kite, that's a personal fav. The psychology of all the abuse is really well portrayed on the characters psyche and coping relationship, def elevating the sex scenes above just fan-service.

It's something loss/not well adapted in the Live action and the inferior sequel(props tho for adding some small epilogue for the prevs cast).
 
I did go on a massive horror binge after I left a cult I grew up in, just so I could finally see everything that was frowned upon in that environment. Nowadays I don't actively seek out mature-rated media as I once did, but will watch anything if it appeals to me.

Oh, and I'm definitely squeamish about gore. I recently got hooked on The Boys (Amazon Prime) - amazing show and cannot wait for season 3, but those head explosions...yeugh! :sick:
 
I really want to watch Salo, but only because it was done by Pasolini
Salo is certainly a film to be endured and not enjoyed, to be honest. I saw it once and wouldn't just put it on for the fun of it lol.
I believe the most complete version of the film is the most recent BFI Blu Ray release, fyi. It includes a scene that isn't available on other versions, including the Criterion release. So if you do decide to watch it I'd go for that version 😊
 
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The few hentai and pink eiga i've watched have been pretty plot heavy, so I can give it a pass. My thought is if the sex/violence can be taken away and it doesn't affect the movie, then it probably doesn't need to be there in the first place.

Exactly my point; the extra stuff may make the plot feel more, "real," or, "full," but it doesn't mean the texts rely on that. Kite really is a fantastic example of that, as the nudity/H-Scenes are truly like 2% of the runtime (VERY short, in comparison to the actual film) and, like mentioned above, the plot centers on the psychological and emotional aspects of the characters, not the H-Scenes dictating how the plot is done.

anything involving teenagers (unless it's something comedic like American Pie).

Exactly me as well; underage stuff, absolutely not for me. American Beauty's subject matter has made me never want to watch it (and I never have) and I'm super glad that Leon: The Professional didn't hover into that territory; it is one of my absolute favourite films and one of the best films ever made, IMO, but if Leon ever followed through with what Matilda wanted, I never would touch the film again.

Thanks, @Sonoshee ! I was going to get the Criterion, but now I will re-look :)
 
Oh yeah, Leon kinda pushed it for me on that front but I kinda figured he was acting more as a father figure so that was alright.

I guess I will say that things like hentai for me are easier to watch/read. Porn just feels too “fake” for me a lot of the time whereas in hentai it doesn’t even really have that pretense to begin with so it doesn’t take me out of the immersion and at the same time, some of the more taboo stuff I’m into doesn’t feel awful happening to characters that aren’t real.
 
Oh yeah, Leon kinda pushed it for me on that front but I kinda figured he was acting more as a father figure so that was alright.

I guess I will say that things like hentai for me are easier to watch/read. Porn just feels too “fake” for me a lot of the time whereas in hentai it doesn’t even really have that pretense to begin with so it doesn’t take me out of the immersion and at the same time, some of the more taboo stuff I’m into doesn’t feel awful happening to characters that aren’t real.
I agree about the fictional dimension sentiment of drawn characters having a much stomach-able appeal than seeing the same abuse played out on real actors. Works examples such as:

Comics:

Metamorphosis by ShindoL

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Netoraserare by Shikishiro Konomi

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Movies:

Perfect Blue by Satoshi Kon

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House of 100 tongues by Studio Ankh:


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Works such as these are easier to consume as fictional 2D and ponder upon involving psychology and exploring various angles of sexual & power abuse themes. The effects of mental trauma inflicted upon their exploited MC's and the decent into madness is.well portrayed in a palatable form.

Examples on the other hands...The brutal rape scene in the horror flick "Hills have Eyes" yea...turned my stomach and I almost quit the movie. There is just a personal uneasiness I don't like feeling when seeing real people endure abuse even if "acting".
 
Salo is certainly a film to be endured and not enjoyed, to be honest. I saw it once and wouldn't just put it on for the fun of it lol.
I believe the most complete version of the film is the most recent BFI Blu Ray release, fyi. It includes a scene that isn't available on other versions, including the Criterion release. So if you do decide to watch it I'd go for that version 😊
I'm not sure if the re-press includes it, but my BFI edition not only has multiple documentaries, but also a booklet that gives the film context. It's one of the few films where I read the supplements beforehand in order to understand what i'm getting into. I haven't watched it since, but part of me wants to watch it again...

Also, I adore Leon. I think the relationship with the two of them was balanced nicely. I never noticed anything sexual about it (i'm referring to the extended cut). I'm almost game for anything, but I think the only film I think I wouldn't watch is 'A Serbian Film'; everything i've heard about it suggests it's horrible for horrible sake. At least there is a point to films like Saló and Irreversible...hell even Cannibal Holocaust was essentially saying that modern society are the true savages!

Speaking of which, I watched 'I Spit On Your Grave' not so long ago (still cut in the UK) and that was a gruelling watch. That said, I actually thought it was a pretty decent film which made me feel dirty and grubby. I definitely needed to watch some cartoons afterwards!
 
I think I can speak for most users on this site when I say that I consume or buy "mature" media. Though this is just a result of whether the "mature" media in question appeals to my tastes. If I am being honest though, most of the media I consume tends to be aimed more towards kids and teenagers than adults.

That being said, I am a firm believer that gore/graphic violence, sex, drugs and/or alcohol, foul language, etc does not make a work mature. To me, it's all about context, because I have seen episodes of Arthur, Avatar The Last Airbender, Batman the Animated Series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Samurai Jack, etc that were far more "mature" than media aimed at adults.
 
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I'm a sucker for controversial content. Probably because I believe in free speech and have a very "fuck censorship" attitude.

Especially living in Australia with our nanny state rating system. For instance, as soon as they lifted the ban on Cannibal Holocaust a few years back, I immediately went out and bought the DVD the week it came out. Same thing with Salo; another film that has been infamously banned in our country on and off over the years.

I'm a sucker for controversial material -- hell, I own two copies of A Serbian Film; take that as you will if you know anything about A Serbian Film.

I'm just a sucker for controversial material in general just because I find humanity to be the most frightening species on our planet and I think art that reflects that should have a place in society as to remind us what it is we are capable of both good and bad. Or to help keep the beast at bay.

And mainly because I like the idea of having my own mind and my own right to make up my own mind on said material as opposed to being told by a nanny state what I can and can't watch as an adult.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for rating systems and such....I think rating systems need to have a place. But I am against censorship so controversial material appeals to me greatly. But for me, the uncomfortable boundaries that films can explore are somewhat appealing to me. I understand that some of these films aren't for everyone. But for those with a broad mind that know how to take the context, then I don't see why we need to be shielded away for "our own good." So a lot of controversial appeals to me. Let me be an adult and decide for myself.

That and I'm not afraid to be taken to uncomfortable places in books, film, games and what not.
 
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I'm a sucker for controversial content. Probably because I believe in free speech and have a very "fuck censorship" attitude.

Especially living in Australia with our nanny state rating system. For instance, as soon as they lifted the ban on Cannibal Holocaust a few years back, I immediately went out and bought the DVD the week it came out. Same thing with Salo; another film that has been infamously banned in our country on and off over the years.

I'm a sucker for controversial material -- hell, I own two copies of A Serbian Film; take that as you will if you know anything about A Serbian Film.

I'm just a sucker for controversial material in general just because I find humanity to be the most frightening species on our planet and I think art that reflects that should have a place in society as to remind us what it is we are capable of both good and bad. Or to help keep the beast at bay.

And mainly because I like the idea of having my own mind and my own right to make up my own mind on said material as opposed to being told by a nanny state what I can and can't watch as an adult.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for rating systems and such....I think rating systems need to have a place. But I am against censorship so controversial material appeals to me greatly. But for me, the uncomfortable boundaries that films can explore are somewhat appealing to me. I understand that some of these films aren't for everyone. But for those with a broad mind that know how to take the context, then I don't see why we need to be shielded away for "our own good." So a lot of controversial appeals to me. Let me be an adult and decide for myself.

That and I'm not afraid to be taken to uncomfortable places in books, film, games and what not.
on this note...

Have you seen:
1.) Deepthroat
2.) Cuties
3.) 50 shades of grey
4.) The First Temptation of Christ

Hot controversy they're known for:
1.) Allegedly a Real Rape "adult" film disguised as a legit high hollywood production that was theatrically released.
2.) Alleged Child-pron disguised as a coming of age story. Landed Netflix in a lot of hot waters.
3.) Promoting sexual degeneracy and triggering conservatives.
4.) Cause an outrage among Christians if not universally.

Synops:


I'd honestly be interested in your opinion(Or anyone else as well) take on both these films and the cultural controversy if you've not yet already done it.:unsure::giggle:;)
 
1. No
2. Not interested.
3. ABSOLUTELY not interested (but that's more due to its incredibly-shitty and awful source material, that just sucks; it's bloody Twilight Fan Fiction FFS).
4. Not really interested. I am a big Catholic and all, but I don't really care about what they're trying to do in the film; I'm not outraged in the slightest (it's art), but just apathetic.
 
I have not heard of 1 or 4. Admittedly I haven’t seen Cuties and do not care to, so I may not know full well what it entails, but from both previews and reviews alone it seems to skirt a dangerous line with using real children, whether it’s fiction or a documentary.

I don’t care about what consenting adults do in private so I don’t really have an opinion on 50 shades, but I haven’t seen or read it either. But to be honest, from what little I do know it seems pretty tame as far as a lot of actual bdsm stuff goes. Kinda doubt it has actually motivated “degeneracy” more so than what most people already do. Not far removed from your typical romance novel directed at middle age moms.
 
I have watched a documentary on Deep Throat and found it quite fascinating as a time capsule of early 70's independent cinema. If by 4, you're referring to the Martin Scorcese film 'The Last Temptation of Christ', i've seen that and it's a very good film (although it threw me off when I saw David Bowie in it!). I'm not exactly religious (i'm agnostic and partly curious), so not against watching difficult religious films, but I must admit i'm anxious to ever watch Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ". It sounds like a difficult film to watch.

The premise of 'Cuties' makes me not want to watch it at all. Sexulisation of children is a big no-no.

With regards to erotic cinema, i'll shortly be watching 'Last Tango In Paris' which over 40 years later it has been suggested that the sex scenes were done under duress. Knowing this has made me uncomfortable, but I feel I need to watch it to make my own opinion as it is was always seen as an important film in the history of cinema.

As far as BDSM films go, I do recommend Barbet Schroder's "Maitresse"; that's an eye opener of a film (there is an unsimulated scene of a penis being nailed to a block of wood for example...) Another pretty shocking film is Walerian Borowczyk's "La Bete" - an erotic adaptation of Beauty and the Beast. Can't believe I own this on blu-ray...

Again, it's the thrill of watching something illicit, but as i've mentioned before, i'm OK with watching older stuff as I feel there is a disconnect with it; whereas watching something new and shocking is a bit much for me.
 
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on this note...

Have you seen:
1.) Deepthroat
2.) Cuties
3.) 50 shades of grey
4.) The First Temptation of Christ
1.) No, I actually haven't seen Deepthroat. But to be honest, I get bored of porn pretty quickly in general. I feel like once you've shot your wad 15 minutes in there really isn't much point to watching porn ;)

I'm not anti-porn or anything like that. I just tend to get very bored of porn very quickly. I do know about the controversy surrounding that film though. As to whether Linda Lovelace's claims were true or not. I don't know.

2.) Cuties...yes, yes I did. No, you don't need to call Chris Hansen on me. But I did force myself to watch it after seeing both the ire of the far right and overzealous defence from the far left. But the other reason being, I had seen the works of Larry Clark back in the day (another filmmaker who has been accused of being pedo-friendly) and so I was curious to make my own mind up about this one just as I did with his films back in the day (most notably Kids.)

I understood the intent of what they were trying to do with this film. The intent was to make you purposely uncomfortable with its imagery as if to open your eyes to a problem in society and the way in which young girls emulate what is presented to them as normal. The problem for me was it's preaching to the converted while simultaneously appealing to those who don't care about the well meant intended message. I get what it's trying to do. It's trying to throw those images back in your face while saying "still find it sexually appealing now that it's minors?"

The problem is that film is very much a "have your cake and eat it too" type of film where I understand the well meant intent behind it, but shudder to think of some creep using it as spank material.

But that aside, I found the film to be a painfully mediocre coming of age story with an unlikable little shit of a protagonist who never felt once redeemed, despite what the ending tries to convey. To me, that film was all about the shock and awe with very little holding it together elsewhere. It's the most basic bitch ass coming of age story with a seedy layer on top.

Amy struggles through self-esteem and seeks validation throughout the movie and eventually gives up on something that validates her as a ‘good child’, as a ‘good girl’, without much of any friction. Why did Amy want validation? Why did she desire to escape? Did she dance only to please and not self-pleasure? All these questions remain untouched, unanswered. Leaving me to wonder what was the point of everything I just watched outside of the basic bitch ass message that oversexualisation of children is bad? Which I already knew.

I will admit, it was one of those times where I did think "maybe this shouldn't exist as it is dangerously walking that line" but then that would make me a hypocrite. While it never crosses the line, it does walk the tight rope for me. I understood its intent, but did I really need to see it? Probably not. I could live my life never seeing this again and be perfectly okay.

Controversy aside...I thought it was a completely mediocre coming of age story that would go completely unnoticed had it not been for the in your face imagery which dangerously walks the tight rope between being scathing critique and unintended (or so they say) pedo spank material.


3.) Yes, I saw the first movie just because I needed a good laugh :D Anything that was born from Twilight fan fiction needs to be mocked.

4.) No...truth be told, I hadn't even heard of this until now.
 
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I have watched a documentary on Deep Throat and found it quite fascinating as a time capsule of early 70's independent cinema. If by 4, you're referring to the Martin Scorcese film 'The Last Temptation of Christ', i've seen that and it's a very good film (although it threw me off when I saw David Bowie in it!). I'm not exactly religious (i'm agnostic and partly curious), so not against watching difficult religious films, but I must admit i'm anxious to ever watch Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ". It sounds like a difficult film to watch.

The premise of 'Cuties' makes me not want to watch it at all. Sexulisation of children is a big no-no.

With regards to erotic cinema, i'll shortly be watching 'Last Tango In Paris' which over 40 years later it has been suggested that the sex scenes were done under duress. Knowing this has made me uncomfortable, but I feel I need to watch it to make my own opinion as it is was always seen as an important film in the history of cinema.

As far as BDSM films go, I do recommend Barbet Schroder's "Maitresse"; that's an eye opener of a film (there is an unsimulated scene of a penis being nailed to a block of wood for example...) Another pretty shocking film is Walerian Borowczyk's "La Bete" - an erotic adaptation of Beauty and the Beast. Can't believe I own this on blu-ray...

Again, it's the thrill of watching something illicit, but as i've mentioned before, i'm OK with watching older stuff as I feel there is a disconnect with it; whereas watching something new and shocking is a bit much for me.
Even the Passion (which is how I read 4. at first, then had to go back and re-look lol), I don't mind; it's been drilled deep into our heads as Catholics, ever since we were kids and it is celebrated as a, "necessary evil," as it allowed Jesus to die for our sins and forgive us (as we're taught) and the resurrection being a wonderful, joyous occasion, thus a film depicting that would have no issues with myself. I've never gotten around to watching it, but have no qualms in doing so, if the opportunity arises.

Cuties has been taken out of context a bit; it isn't really meant as a sexualisation of children, but more of a child's struggle to grow up and fit in, while being in a restrictive, highly-conservative Muslim family and living in France (urban Paris, I believe), when you are surrounded by peers who are raised quite differently.

The director is a Senegalese woman and an activitst of sorts, against the conservative nature of Afrcan Muslims (IIRC; she is definitely a Senegalese woman, but I may be sketchy on her politics), so this was more a film, made in response to her perceived treatment of young girls from a similar background as herself.

I'm not going to watch it, simply because I have 0 interest in the subject matter; don't care if young girls are sexualised or not, I just don't care about Senegalese Muslims, growing up in France and wanting to progress in dance at a young age lol

Ultimo Tango a Parigi is a great film to delve into the human psyche, but yes, Maria Schneider was forced by Brando to take it up the rear... and her being a young, naïve actress who was just starting out, she went along with it. Bertolucci was a bit nuts (not in a good way and not condoning his behavior), but he was a great filmmaker.
 
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