Random Shenmue IV Thoughts.

The more time passes, the more I think we should forget about RGG. Ys.NET made a great Shenmue game themselves in Shenmue 3. They know where the weak points are and next time they should pay more attention to the plot. They should hire more specialists in this field.

While Yakuza is making tons of money for Sammy-Sega, there's no chance they'll touch Shenmue. Maybe at some point when fans get tired of the formula and start wanting something new? But the question still remains why Shenmue and not Judgment, fist, project century, etc.

The good thing is that RRG aren't the only ones making games with good story and narrative. In my opinion, the problem with Shenmue 3 was Deep Silver. This company messed up the entire development plan. Ysnet couldn't figure out what they could do with the extra money in the short time frame. They put a lot of time into creating a detailed world, mini-games, a variety of shops to fill this world to the level of Shenmue 2. Even in some aspects they surpass it. That's why Shenmue 3 feels like a slightly unfinished game in terms of plot in the end.

You have to understand that even RGG wouldn't have done anything better than Shenmue 3, given the conditions in which the game was developed and the budget.
 
Roundhouse Ryo said:
My uneducated guess would be that If ININ is involved in S4, that it would only take the role that Shibuya Productions had for S3, at least based on their current lineup, which are all basically overpriced 2D side scrollers.
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I wonder if that Deep Silver door has been completely rammed shut? Or if they are willing to partner up with ININ and others?

Furthermore, I wonder what it would take for SEGA to gamble on developing S4? I mean, they seem to be talking like the swashbuckling SEGA of years gone by, why not take that last step?
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Virtua Fighter 6 becoming a massive hit and re-re-branding Shenmue back to VFRPG?

Probably not. We can already see the new Akira looks even less like Ryo.

Steel Paws becoming the #1 iPhone game? Also incredibly unlikely…

Any Shenmue 4 scenario that doesn’t involve Ys Net raising money is a fantasy scenario at this point.

I don’t think Deep Silver is the answer, however.
 
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thedemon1238 said:
The more time passes, the more I think we should forget about RGG. Ys.NET made a great Shenmue game themselves in Shenmue 3. They know where the weak points are and next time they should pay more attention to the plot. They should hire more specialists in this field.

While Yakuza is making tons of money for Sammy-Sega, there's no chance they'll touch Shenmue. Maybe at some point when fans get tired of the formula and start wanting something new? But the question still remains why Shenmue and not Judgment, fist, project century, etc.

The good thing is that RRG aren't the only ones making games with good story and narrative. In my opinion, the problem with Shenmue 3 was Deep Silver. This company messed up the entire development plan. Ysnet couldn't figure out what they could do with the extra money in the short time frame. They put a lot of time into creating a detailed world, mini-games, a variety of shops to fill this world to the level of Shenmue 2. Even in some aspects they surpass it. That's why Shenmue 3 feels like a slightly unfinished game in terms of plot in the end.

You have to understand that even RGG wouldn't have done anything better than Shenmue 3, given the conditions in which the game was developed and the budget.
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For me it hit 'most' of the bullet points to scratch the Shenmue itch, but not all. It's not Shenmue without Virtua Fighter. They're linked at the hip. YS doesn't have the kind of money to implement that kind of system into Shenmue 4. Shenmue 3 was for the fans (and I was highly impressed at what he did don't get me wrong at all, a "what if he had the budget to make what he wanted for Dreamcast...) That combat from the 90s is still better than the one we got (sadly). But the next game truly needs next level immersion. We need that evolution IMO. At the end of the day YS and his boys at Sega AM2 were about pushing the envelope. I don't want if it's not all hands on deck, and for better or worse that means mending the relationship with Sega somehow.
 
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For me it hit 'most' of the bullet points to scratch the Shenmue itch, but not all. It's not Shenmue without Virtua Fighter. They're linked at the hip. YS doesn't have the kind of money to implement that kind of system into Shenmue 4. Shenmue 3 was for the fans (and I was highly impressed at what he did don't get me wrong at all, a "what if he had the budget to make what he wanted for Dreamcast...) That combat from the 90s is still better than the one we got (sadly). But the next game truly needs next level immersion. We need that evolution IMO. At the end of the day YS and his boys at Sega AM2 were about pushing the envelope. I don't want if it's not all hands on deck, and for better or worse that means mending the relationship with Sega somehow.
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There's no issue with a relationship with SEGA. They just don't really want to do a Shenmue game. The chances of it are very slim unfortunately. I'd love to be proven wrong but I can't see SEGA doing Shenmue any time soon.
 
It makes about as much sense as them asking Sonic Team to make a new AAA Alex Kidd, but there is a certain energy/excitement to the VF news and mentions of Shenmue in media recently. It’s definitely exciting to ponder.
 
I think Steel Paws has better chance to become popular than Air Twister. It feels more like a modern game. Air Twister is great for me, but it's mainly aimed at the niche group of old school arcade fans. Even with the simplified controls and slower, more casual gameplay, it's hard to capture the attention of the modern audience.

I'm saying that Steel Paws has a better chance, not that it will become popular. According to data from last year, nearly 19,000 new indie games were released on Steam. To be successful with indie game is almost like winning the lottery. :)

The market has been flooded for a long time and more and more games are coming out. It's becoming extremely difficult for something new to succeed.
 
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its being pushed to over a million twitter accounts on Netflix’s Japanese account:



It’s certainly got more of a chance than other games. On the other hand I’m not sure many Netflix subscribers are aware they can download games with their subscription. I think it could develop into an interesting partnership.
 
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thedemon1238 said:
The more time passes, the more I think we should forget about RGG. Ys.NET made a great Shenmue game themselves in Shenmue 3. They know where the weak points are and next time they should pay more attention to the plot. They should hire more specialists in this field.

While Yakuza is making tons of money for Sammy-Sega, there's no chance they'll touch Shenmue. Maybe at some point when fans get tired of the formula and start wanting something new? But the question still remains why Shenmue and not Judgment, fist, project century, etc.

The good thing is that RRG aren't the only ones making games with good story and narrative. In my opinion, the problem with Shenmue 3 was Deep Silver. This company messed up the entire development plan. Ysnet couldn't figure out what they could do with the extra money in the short time frame. They put a lot of time into creating a detailed world, mini-games, a variety of shops to fill this world to the level of Shenmue 2. Even in some aspects they surpass it. That's why Shenmue 3 feels like a slightly unfinished game in terms of plot in the end.

You have to understand that even RGG wouldn't have done anything better than Shenmue 3, given the conditions in which the game was developed and the budget.
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As an OG Yakuza fan, by the time I was fed up with the series (Yakuza 5) it suddenly gained a second wind in the West and the New fans outnumber the OGs.

I think by now even the new fans should be feeling a little fed up with the yearly releases, if that happens SEGA will try to shift their focus away from Yakuza to other IPs... It won't print money forever. Not to say that Shenmue is the one to print the money LOL. But... They revived Virtua Fighter, so it's not out of the realm of possibility they'd revive Shenmue.
 
I think there's major demand for the yearly releases, hence why they keep making them. I don't get how folks keep up with and play these games. I've probably played half a dozen and I haven't even gotten to the Like a Dragon titles yet. I actually forget significant parts of the plot at this time; not even sure I should keep going lol.
 
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I think there's major demand for the yearly releases, hence why they keep making them. I don't get how folks keep up with and play these games. I've probably played half a dozen and I haven't even gotten to the Like a Dragon titles yet. I actually forget significant parts of the plot at this time; not even sure I should keep going lol.
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As someone who has played the Like A Dragon/Yakuza games since Yakuza 3 on the PlayStation 3, I 'tapped out' after Yakuza 6: The Song of Life. Primarily, because I was a Kiryu fan and did not like the turn-based combat system. I came back for Like A Dragon: Ishin and Like A Dragon: The Man Who Erased His Name due to being a fan of samurai and Kiryu. While the series has always had an even blend of drama and comedy, I feel that after Nagoshi left, it has started leaning more towards absurdity.

Additionally, these games take a long time to fully experience. Overwhelming audiences with yearly releases is too much (at least for me). However, given how competitive the gaming market is and the fact that developers always need to be working on something to avoid layoffs, it is understandable. On a side note, the combat in Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii looks like something out of Devil May Cry.


 
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I don’t see that they said they will announce a 4th game for a Japanese IP. It says:

“There's also a mysterious fourth game, and I won't spoil what it is, but our sources indicate that it is a new entry in a legendary Japanese IP which has decades of history, and should make a lot of fans happy.”

That is slightly different as they listed 3 games before this and this is the fourth game.
 
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Sounds promising. But do they mean its the fourth game in the list they’re talking about?
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Yeah sorry I misread the headline a bit on a forum title when I saw 4th game, but 'Japanese IP' 'legendary', 'Decades of history', 'make a lot of fans happy' could still apply to Shenmue if you were in an optimistic mood.
 
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