General RGG Discussion

shadowman16 said:
Kiwami runs on a completely different engine to 6 and Kiwami 2 - while it runs at twice the frame rate (60FPS compared to 30FPS) its more restrictive in that it has tons of loading screens and extremely limited physics in combat. While 6 and Kiwami 2 run at a less smooth frame rate but feature vastly improved graphics (textures, character models, lighting) with full physics for environmental items and characters, which greatly changes how combat can feel (plus they have quite different, and not so great combat systems as Kiwami had - less moves and heat moves all round, I prefer the style system myself). Almost no loading in the game either, making exploration in buildings seemless, which means you can also drag enemies into buildings for the heck of it.
As for the plots, only one I personally found forgetful was parts of 4, though that certainly has some bizarre plot points that somehow only got weirder when I replayed it, I quite like the plots for most Yakuza games but for very different reasons to Shenmue - mainly down to the characters in each game, rather than Shenmue which has that wonderful focus on martial arts.

But yeah, you can't really compare the two series unless you do so on an incredibly superficial level (Sega games, Asian locations, fighting, arcade games).
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I kind of agree about 4. 4 was a bit forgetful at times...I still strongly believe they shoehorned Kiryu into 4 because they simply weren’t confident with the new protagonists in Y4. The rest have all been pretty memorable to me though. It’s been a fun ride over the years watching Kiryu and Haruka grow in more way than one. But 4 is really the only one I struggle to remember plot wise as well.

For me, the stories have been memorable...even the side stuff is memorable (if not sometimes recycled...I don’t know how many times I’ve seen Kiryu get hustled in Shinjuku)

Speaking of which, I grabbed Kiwami 2 from Steam last night to test out on my new PC...I wanted to see the Dragon Engine running at 60FPS on the RTX 2060...damn, it is a sight to behold. Really nice looking game at 60FPS. My one complaint though is that the frame rate inconsistent. Sometimes its a locked 60FPS, other times it’s an unlocked frame rate.

As for the Shenmue comparisons? Not going there. Yakuza is Yakuza. Shenmue is Shenmue. Anyone who has played both knows the differences between the two are more than noticeable.
 
Tosh said:
the problem with most of these discussions is that there is no discussion.
if you see a Shenmue 3 thread that is clearly about Shenmue 3 and fans,
why would anyone post all the things he dislikes about that game in that thread
and how a different game made everything better? same thing here, if you just visit this thread
to tell everyone in one post how Shenmue was always better or that Yakuza isnt that great or whatever,
and not even asking a question or about other oppinions. whats the point?
what answer or reaction do you expect? thats not a discussion.
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As I said, it’s mostly just superficial which is why no one can progress with the discussion. I think we can have productive discussions discussing both games whether you’re a fan or not. If you’re going to compare just for the sake of saying one is superior to the other just, then yes, that goes no where. I first imported it back in Dec 2005 out of expectations that it was a Shenmue predecessor. I’ll admit I was wrong, but I appreciate it for what it is and some thoughts come to my head at times that there are features in Yakuza that Shenmue could benefit from and vice versa.

We can have productive discussions such as how Yakuza allows you to eat meals at a restaurants for meals (which Shenmue III is going to adopt). Yakuza educates you about Japanese fast food (such as gyudon), or adequate cuisine in the same way Shenmue acquaints players with Yokosuka.

I like how both games give you a certain kind of experience. Shenmue gives you a virtual tour of suburban life in Japan where the community knows each other, etc. I like how each NPC is voiced, and I enjoy how you can interact with most things. I like how Yakuza gives you the urban side of Japan where you’re not likely to talk to people unless it’s necessary. I enjoy the arcades in both franchises (just wish Yakuza had After Burner). I like how Yakuza has karaoke and kyabakura. Both games have their features for their respective reasons.

I like Shenmue’s action better as a Virtua Fighter fan, and as a fan of the martial arts. Yakuza is more for button mashing, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I like how Shenmue has a deep combat system due to being rooted in traditional martial arts and love the training aspects to them. I love how NPCs teach you moves verbally, etc. Yakuza has that as well, but not to the same depth as Shenmue but it works well for its respective series for what it is.

I think both games do open world well for the stories they tell and for the environments they portray. In a real life urban environment, realistically, you’re not going to go to every building and search every room, so I can understand why most open world games haven’t adopted this. Shenmue does this for its own unique reasons, and being classified as the first even modern open world game, it has many features that not many games have yet to adopt as they treat their open world as more quantity over quality with just a big space to explore but you feel no connectivity to it. Shenmue lets you feel a connection to its world and so does Yakuza, but for different reasons.
 
danielmann861 said:
I kind of agree about 4. 4 was a bit forgetful at times...I still strongly believe they shoehorned Kiryu into 4 because they simply weren’t confident with the new protagonists in Y4. The rest have all been pretty memorable to me though. It’s been a fun ride over the years watching Kiryu and Haruka grow in more way than one. But 4 is really the only one I struggle to remember plot wise as well.

For me, the stories have been memorable...even the side stuff is memorable (if not sometimes recycled...I don’t know how many times I’ve seen Kiryu get hustled in Shinjuku)

Speaking of which, I grabbed Kiwami 2 from Steam last night to test out on my new PC...I wanted to see the Dragon Engine running at 60FPS on the RTX 2060...damn, it is a sight to behold. Really nice looking game at 60FPS. My one complaint though is that the frame rate inconsistent. Sometimes its a locked 60FPS, other times it’s an unlocked frame rate.

As for the Shenmue comparisons? Not going there. Yakuza is Yakuza. Shenmue is Shenmue. Anyone who has played both knows the differences between the two are more than noticeable.
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Yeah, replaying 4 and Kiryu basically feels shoehorned in terms of his chapter, its so barren in terms of actual story content. One chapter is just him walking to the Millennium Tower. I mean, he also has one boss fight thats absolutely amazing and one long fight that is also, absolutely amazing as its basically just a "go crazy and use every move you have" fight. But if it weren't for a cool final boss, Saejima fight, and ties to Yakuza 1 it'd have actually been pointless to have him in. I kinda wonder if it'd have been better without him and redistribute the content to the other characters - so everyone else got more plot etc.

Don't get me wrong, its a really good game (bar some late game silliness with the plot) but you really feel how the studio was stretched including 4 characters in this game, alongside some silliness with when certain side events trigger (like Saejima or Akiyama getting their Elise and dojo stuff right at the end of their chapters, instead of right at the beginning). But 5 really fixed all of this, Akiyama in 5 still manages to get loads of plot stuff despite having only half a chapter to share with Haruka!

Also, aside from Saejima's advances, Haruka does nothing in 4. Which sucks. She's so great in 1, 3, 5... (even numbers apparently don't favor her that well!)
 
I’m sure at that time, they had no idea how to develop Kiryu and Haruka in 4. Kiryu is just mostly there as a franchise star, but there’s nothing wrong with that (he took on Tanimura and Akiyama at the same time just to show how bad ass he still is). He didn’t really get a “send off” in 3, so bringing him back made sense to some degree for the sake of it. I’ll admit I mostly enjoyed Akiyama and Saejima’s part within the game, and I thought Rikiya Koyama and Koichi Yamadera perfectly captured Saejima and Akiyama perfectly. Tanimura was a great character as well and thought he added a fresh dynamic to the game as a law enforcement officer and how you have to respond to calls from HQ of disputes/crimes in progress, etc.

I appreciate in 4 that Kiryu forgives Hamazaki for stabbing him at the end of 3, and realizes there are bigger things going on. Kiryu represents a certain kind of old school masculinity as a I said before, but I like how Saejima’s presence gives us a different kind of old school masculinity that represents a transition between Kiryu and someone like Kazama, who is the true OG in the series. Akiyama is a rags to riches story and I like how he was once homeless, and then he became one of Japan’s richest men.

As for the upcoming 7, I’m still hoping for Saejima, Majima, and Akiyama to come back to some capacity.
 
I really don't want many big returning faces in 7. This is all about Ichiban, and thankfully with most of the game taking place in Yokohama we are mainly just getting smaller cameos from side story characters. If they are going to have Ichiban rubbing shoulders with legends, I'd rather it be in a sequel once he's established himself more. That said, maybe Akiyama might show up, they like him enough to use him in Online, though the game has shown that post jail plot in Online has no bearing on 7's story so that really doens't mean anything!
 

Doing more video capture tests in prep for Shenmue III trial...took a nice leisurely stroll around Sotenbori with everything set to Ultra/60FPS (set it to 720p/60 or 1080p/60 to get full effect.) I've been using the Windows DVR's in built function of Windows 10 to do these tests and I think they look nice, but was wondering...what's the best method to get truly uncompressed raw footage from PC?

For the Shenmue III trial, I at least want to try and get one run with (some) uncompressed 1080p video to share with all....so I've been trying to find the best method to do so.

Still, even with compression, the Kiwami 2 sample above is still pretty nice...Dragon Engine really does look quite nice running at 60fps with everything turned way up.
 
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YES! I FINALLY BEAT ALL PUYO RIVALS! (using the three towers method)

KAMURO GO ACHIEVEMENT BE MINE!

With that pain in the ass out of the way, I may consider going for that Platinum now.
 
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I mean, unless your bad at Mahjong you've done the hardest thing in the game so why not! (congrats btw). Only other super hard thing in the game for me is something that's not even required - and that's beating BM in Fighting Vipers, you only need to defeat Raxel, but beating Jane and BM are super hard for some reason!
 
shadowman16 said:
I mean, unless your bad at Mahjong you've done the hardest thing in the game so why not! (congrats btw). Only other super hard thing in the game for me is something that's not even required - and that's beating BM in Fighting Vipers, you only need to defeat Raxel, but beating Jane and BM are super hard for some reason!
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I've gotten most of the Mahjong stuff...I think I only have to get the full straight or something akin to that (? I can't remember what it was off the top of my head, but I remember it was something specific that I hadn't gone for yet...I at least understand how to play Mahjong enough to do it)

Shogi is the one I'm worried about...because I don't know how to play Shogi to save my life and in the past I've relied on cheat items to do whatever I need for it.

But yeah that Puyo achievement was rough as all hell. I got it up to 36 wins before letting the CPU beat me. The three tower method (finally) worked a charm to do it with.

I still got to finish off the rest of the side stories and such...I put it aside when Catherine Full Body came out...I'll get back around to finishing it all off at some point. Now that the hardest thing is behind me, you're right, why not try to go for the Platinum?
 
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shadowman16 said:
I mean, unless your bad at Mahjong you've done the hardest thing in the game so why not! (congrats btw). Only other super hard thing in the game for me is something that's not even required - and that's beating BM in Fighting Vipers, you only need to defeat Raxel, but beating Jane and BM are super hard for some reason!
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Raxel was death for me; just couldn't beat him for the longest time and I'm good at FV! lol

And yes, I play Shogi all the time on my phone (rather, I used to lol) and I basically be black in-game and white on my phone; I copy what the AI does on my phone, in-game and I win every time :D
 
Hi guys!

I have kept playing this game (more than 10 hours), and finaly i put the game in easy mode so the fight are very quick (and still not interesting in my opinion :) ), but all the others part are really cool.

I think I still like more Yakuza 6, but it is a very fun game :)

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I've been playing for a little while now. I definitely like the characters. Both them and the story just seem to have an entirely different atmosphere from Yakuza. But for some reason, I just can't really get into the game. I was down with it at the beginning, especially the story. But things started taking these turns that I didn't really care for, so now I'm just not as excited to finish it as I once was. The gameplay is about as refined as it can be for now, and the fighting animation is gorgeous. But man, I really just don't like Tak's fighting styles. I like what they were going for, but I guess I'm a Kiryu kinda guy. It's DEFINITELY a great a game, but I just find myself going back and playing Kiwami 2 more and more instead :hmm:
 
"Here's your yakuza game director, bro"
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Yeah, he's waaaaaaaaaaaay over the top with the tanning; makes the Jersey Shore guys look normal...
 
I like that guy. I mean he had a heart surgery just two months ago or so and was resting at home
but he insisted on visiting the Yakuza 7 press conference because he wanted to announce it with his own mouth.
Just because he wanted to, nobody forced him.

And i like that hes just doing his thing, his own style and it seems like nobody in his environment says anything against it.
Same for a lot of the other japanese guys wearing army boots in combination with short pants and leather jackets
or suits with really weird and freaky colors or whatever ...
I'm always a bit jealous that they can get away with these styles, if i would try those styles here in Germany
everyone would look at me like i'm a rare animal that escaped the zoo. People would never ever see it as normal.
 
I do worry about the teams rather... dedicated work ethic. They get the games out yearly (or there abouts), relatively free of bugs or issues and filled to the brim with unique content. Its hard to think of any other series that offers that kind of quality on such a frequent basis!
 
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