Politics

[DigitalDuck]

To me it's important because that's what I feel when people use those newspeak. Why keep using those words if you don't believe what they are being used for ? That's the point I was making. There's really a gap these days.
And hell, maybe you were actually thinking about those types of doctrines, and I wanted to know, that's why I don't like those words.

Why let assholes determine the meaning of words? I use words according to their actual meaning, not according to some brainwashed cult member's interpretation of it. That's why I use quotes around the latter.

We already have "you can't use that word, that's our word", we don't also need "you can't use that word, that's their word". If someone wants to say they're in support of equality, especially alongside a description of exactly what they mean, why prescribe different speech upon them?

But I agree that there are other ways of putting it. After all, strictly speaking I don't believe in equality, as I don't feel two people are equal if their actions are inequal. I support the imprisonment of murderers, and the encouragement of philanthropists, despite this treatment clearly being unequal. I believe people should be judged on their actions and abilities and not on their physical characteristics. This would probably be better described as a meritocracy.

The problem with assigning any particular vaguely political label is that politics are completely subjective, and any and every label is going to mean different things to different people. Rather than attaching yourself only to a label, it's necessary to describe your viewpoints, however briefly.

 

[Kodama]

I'm as independent as they come, and it's disgusting to see the games being played on both sides... but my god is Donald Trump glorious. Not that he's the best guy in the world or anything, far from it... but he's exposed all the disgusting tactics used for what they are and they keep taking his bait and outing themselves. Corey Marshall is a perfect example of someone I used to respect that showed his truly awful colors thanks to Trump...

 

[shredingskin]

Why let assholes determine the meaning of words?

They already did, hell, they assigned the meaning in a political context. You can say whatever the fuck you want, I don't police speech, I wanted to clarify what people that often use those words mean by those words, and what a stupid word to describe anything it is (which is why they use it).

If someone wants to say they're in support of equality, especially alongside a description of exactly what they mean, why prescribe different speech upon them?

Because it's not what they often do, they just say "I support equality", say what you want and what you believe in, I don't care for people using weasel words, and I want to know what they really mean by such a vacuous statement. I neither prescribe diferent speech upon them, I just said what a meaningless word to use, and if he could clarify what it's the meaning (and in a political conversation, see what their implementation of their ideas are).

Rather than attaching yourself only to a label, it's necessary to describe your viewpoints, however briefly.

People are the ones attaching to themselves labels, specially when using the discourse of another political group.
That's why I asked for clarification, and it's a better way to say things in your own words than borrowing others people speech.

I'm as independent as they come, and it's disgusting to see the games being played on both sides... but my god is Donald Trump glorious. Not that he's the best guy in the world or anything, far from it... but he's exposed all the disgusting tactics used for what they are and they keep taking his bait and outing themselves. Corey Marshall is a perfect example of someone I used to respect that showed his truly awful colors thanks to Trump...

I do wonder if the media actually care or are just into making some bucks. And also I don't really know if most are just acting in some sort of social meta-game, just so pitiful. But I guess ego-stroking is innate to humans.
About Corey, I think that politics is just a lens, and it shouldn't be applied to every context. I don't mind people being stupid. You should take him for what it is, a voice actor, you can respect him as a voice actor and don't like his political views. Hell, you can hate him as a person and like his voice acting (I always thought it was pretty shitty though).
That's the problem of polarization, it's a dialectic game that you are playing even if you are not (in the sense of Hegelian dialectics, not just discourse).

 

[Henry Spencer]

A lot of people in here saying they're 'not right leaning/far right' saying a lot of far right stuff, lol.

I'm as independent as they come, and it's disgusting to see the games being played on both sides... but my god is Donald Trump glorious. Not that he's the best guy in the world or anything, far from it... but he's exposed all the disgusting tactics used for what they are and they keep taking his bait and outing themselves. Corey Marshall is a perfect example of someone I used to respect that showed his truly awful colors thanks to Trump...

What are you even talking about? All that Trump has done has made me think just how crazy America is voting in such a racist, corrupt loonball.

I know Corey Marshall is so evil for saying Trump is a parasite. lol. Oh aye.

 

[shredingskin]

Is having stronger border security racist ?
Because then Canada is more racist.

 

[Oregon Pacifist]

What are you even talking about? All that Trump has done has made me think just how crazy America is voting in such a racist, corrupt loonball.

Trump is so racist, that black & hispanic unemployment is the lowest in recorded US history! He's also so bigoted, that he supported LGBT equality before he even ran for public office!

Also, if you want to talk about corruption, you should shift your focus to the Clintons, who are at least a thousand times more corrupt than anything related to Trump.

 

[Van Joel Sandwich]

Trump is so racist, that black & hispanic unemployment is the lowest in recorded US history! He's also so bigoted, that he supported LGBT equality before he even ran for public office!

Also, if you want to talk about corruption, you should shift your focus to the Clintons, who are at least a thousand times more corrupt than anything related to Trump.

 

[DigitalDuck]

A lot of people in here saying they're 'not right leaning/far right' saying a lot of far right stuff, lol.

Are you kidding? I've only seen one person saying anything remotely far-right...

What are you even talking about? All that Trump has done has made me think just how crazy America is voting in such a racist, corrupt loonball.

Oh, I see. It's another one of those terms you define differently to others. Never mind then.

 

[Revan]

I must say, I think its absolutely fantastically great that within five minutes of this thread being set up I immediately got straight to the point and jumped to the deliciously controversial stuff.

To me it's important because that's what I feel when people use those newspeak. Why keep using those words if you don't believe what they are being used for ? That's the point I was making. There's really a gap these days.
And hell, maybe you were actually thinking about those types of doctrines, and I wanted to know, that's why I don't like those words.

No worries. I'll think a bit harder on terms to use in future including how they might be interpreted. Apologies if I provoked you, it wasn't my intention. But Jesus Christ man, 'If you're for equality, what about equality for murderers, rapists and racists?'/'You're promoting a murderous ideology' Fucking ouch! You really got your nails out there. ?

 

[Jigen]

A lot of people in here saying they're 'not right leaning/far right' saying a lot of far right stuff, lol.



What are you even talking about? All that Trump has done has made me think just how crazy America is voting in such a racist, corrupt loonball.

I know Corey Marshall is so evil for saying Trump is a parasite. lol. Oh aye.

What a stupid fucking reductive statement. The far-right are just as bad as the far-left, extremism in general is bad and I think most of us can agree to that.

 

[shredingskin]

I must say, I think its absolutely fantastically great that within five minutes of this thread being set up I immediately got straight to the point and jumped to the deliciously controversial stuff.

No worries. I'll think a bit harder on terms to use in future including how they might be interpreted. Apologies if I provoked you, it wasn't my intention. But Jesus Christ man, 'If you're for equality, what about equality for murderers, rapists and racists?'/'You're promoting a murderous ideology' Fucking ouch! You really got your nails out there. ?

No problems man, I know I got straight up hostile, but I'm kinda tired.
And I don't know, but from equality (of oportunity I guess) to equality of outcome there's not that much of a large gap of thought, the best formalized implementation we tried is communism, and that has killed more than hundred million people, and it's not like people don't openly advocate for it (hell, there are people that are still right now defending Maduro, that has killed +30 since the topic opened).

Probably the hostility might come from being bombarded all day by the same speech, I got really tired of it lately (specially since the whole venezuela deal is so close to what was happening in my country that it's still an open scar I guess, not to mention that there are a lot of mainstream politicians that are still defending him and their implementation of socialism).

 

[Peter]

We all have our own individual beliefs, ideas, thoughts.

They may be right in some people's eyes, they may be wrong in others.

I have a Bsc. Honours in Politics, and all that taught me was that it was a load of bollocks, and a banner for those who are good at debating with big fancy words. I don't come here for politics, I don't come on the internet whatsoever for politics.
I respect that some of you have an interest in the subject and that's fine. But remember a few things. Firstly the terms of service apply in here as they do across all of the site. If you can't treat people and address them with respect and dignity in here, the topic doesn't make it alright to do so. If you get boiling blood at some one else's words on the website dedicated to a video game then take my advice and walk away. That's not the hill to die on here at this point in time. I don't want anyone getting warnings or bannings in the months leading up to Shenmue 3.

Think about that, every time you want to call someone names, troll, flame, or do whatever to someone who doesn't agree with your words, taking it personally. This is a dangerous subject, and no one ever wins. You are welcome to discuss it in a civil manner, with maturity and openness. But any breach of that, is a stupid decision.

 

[Kodama]

I do wonder if the media actually care or are just into making some bucks.

Definitely the latter, they get more views for controversy and I can't claim to know it's true for sure but my communications professor who taught me almost everything I know about broadcasting told me they get paid under the table by the party they support...

I don't mind people being stupid. You should take him for what it is, a voice actor, you can respect him as a voice actor and don't like his political views. Hell, you can hate him as a person and like his voice acting (I always thought it was pretty shitty though).

Yeah I don't really respect him as a voice actor either lol, I play the undub for a reason, but that's irrelevant. Fact is he is a real pill on social media. He made a post specifically to call me out once after I embarrassed him by proving him wrong in a short debate on one of his previous posts. When I screencapped the old conversation and used it in his post to show how wrong he was in his new post calling me out, he blocked me. I don't care that he disagrees with me politically, I don't even really care that he's straight up wrong about the things he says, but when he makes it personal just because I disagree with him, that's where he crosses the line and loses my respect entirely. I have nothing but disdain for the dude...

All that Trump has done has made me think just how crazy America is voting in such a racist, corrupt loonball.

Compared to literally every other politician in this country, he's probably the least racist and corrupt. He does come off as a bit of a loon because he's an egomaniac for sure, but he's actually been quite refreshing compared to the status quo...

 

[Henry Spencer]

Wow you all enjoy your little echo chambers.

Definitely the latter, they get more views for controversy and I can't claim to know it's true for sure but my communications professor who taught me almost everything I know about broadcasting told me they get paid under the table by the party they support...


Yeah I don't really respect him as a voice actor either lol, I play the undub for a reason, but that's irrelevant. Fact is he is a real pill on social media. He made a post specifically to call me out once after I embarrassed him by proving him wrong in a short debate on one of his previous posts. When I screencapped the old conversation and used it in his post to show how wrong he was in his new post calling me out, he blocked me. I don't care that he disagrees with me politically, I don't even really care that he's straight up wrong about the things he says, but when he makes it personal just because I disagree with him, that's where he crosses the line and loses my respect entirely. I have nothing but disdain for the dude...


Compared to literally every other politician in this country, he's probably the least racist and corrupt. He does come off as a bit of a loon because he's an egomaniac for sure, but he's actually been quite refreshing compared to the status quo...

Least racist and corrupt? I can't even...most, more like. If Trump is the bastion of all that is good then your country has gone mad. I've never in my life seen a government assembled with the most evil bunch of cretins than Trump's (eternally revolving door, sorry jail cell door) government.

What a stupid fucking reductive statement. The far-right are just as bad as the far-left, extremism in general is bad and I think most of us can agree to that.

Ah yes, the good ol' "both sides" argument. Bravo, you sure told me.

Are you kidding? I've only seen one person saying anything remotely far-right...



Oh, I see. It's another one of those terms you define differently to others. Never mind then.

That's fine. I wouldn't listen to you anyway, to be honest. We couldn't be more different people.

Trump is so racist, that black & hispanic unemployment is the lowest in recorded US history! He's also so bigoted, that he supported LGBT equality before he even ran for public office!

Also, if you want to talk about corruption, you should shift your focus to the Clintons, who are at least a thousand times more corrupt than anything related to Trump.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-unemployment-rate-record-low-may-jobs-report

That was already happening during Obama's presidency, it's a change of the times and the way organisations work rather than any policies put in place by Trump. You may as well just say that everything good that happens in the US is because of Trump.

That "supporting LGBT" is just PR. When he became president, he also banned Trans people from joining the military. Actions speak louder than words to me.

What? Trump is more corrupt than the Clintons (who are also corrupt and I don't like them either, actually). Trump and his staff literally did dirty deals with Russians for god only knows what. Did the Clintons do that? Or are you lot a bunch of "only Fox news tells the troof and all other news media are evil" crowd?

I guess his misogynistic viewpoints don't matter either, right? Or that his government keep getting arrested one after another?

Is having stronger border security racist ?
Because then Canada is more racist.

How the heck does having border security get equated with being racist? What a stupid thing to say, if you want me to compare, Canada have as much as, if not more multiculturism whereas the US is more described as a "melting pot". It's just a different vibe and culture. I never felt safe whilst in the US, whereas in Canada I never felt more safe than when I went to Japan. If the US went with Canada's policies then that's fine and well but Trump isn't doing that, he's wanting to build his own utopia where no Mexicans are allowed to the party.

 

[Kodama]

Least racist and corrupt? I can't even...most, more like. If Trump is the bastion of all that is good then your country has gone mad. I've never in my life seen a government assembled with the most evil bunch of cretins than Trump's (eternally revolving door, sorry jail cell door) government.

You're an outsider and you're getting all your info from sensationalist news reports. You have no idea how dirty and disgusting our politics really are, and how Trump is only demonized because he threatens to expose them all for the shit they are. Trump was a very much beloved celbrity figure in this country until the day he got into politics, featured in movies and TV and NOBDOY ever called him a racist... that's not a coincidence...

Trump and his staff literally did dirty deals with Russians for god only knows what. Did the Clintons do that? Or are you lot a bunch of "only Fox news tells the troof and all other news media are evil" crowd?

Hillary Clinton literally sold uranium, fucking uranium to Russia... in exchange for donations to her foundation... I can't even imagine Trump doing a more dirty deal...

How the heck does having border security get equated with being racist? What a stupid thing to say, if you want me to compare, Canada have as much as, if not more multiculturism whereas the US is more described as a "melting pot". It's just a different vibe and culture. I never felt safe whilst in the US, whereas in Canada I never felt more safe than when I went to Japan. If the US went with Canada's policies then that's fine and well but Trump isn't doing that, he's wanting to build his own utopia where no Mexicans are allowed to the party.

And once again you have no idea what you are talking about. You are an outsider clinging to headlines. Trump is more than happy to let people from any country LEGALLY immigrate to this country...

 

[Oregon Pacifist]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-unemployment-rate-record-low-may-jobs-report

That was already happening during Obama's presidency, it's a change of the times and the way organisations work rather than any policies put in place by Trump. You may as well just say that everything good that happens in the US is because of Trump.

There is some truth in your statement, that the numbers were certainly trending in that direction, but there was an undeniable spike in economic growth when Trump was elected. After Trump took office, the economy saw more than a 4% growth rate (something Obama said was impossible, then later tried to take credit for). The unemployment rate is a direct result of the actions Trump took. By your logic, Trump would be responsible for any positive results in government years after he left office.

That "supporting LGBT" is just PR. When he became president, he also banned Trans people from joining the military. Actions speak louder than words to me.

Trans people should worry less about joining the military and more about getting the mental health help they need. With that being said, I don't necessarily support Trump on this or against him. It's just not a big deal at all in my opinion.

Trump is more corrupt than the Clintons (who are also corrupt and I don't like them either, actually). Trump and his staff literally did dirty deals with Russians for god only knows what. Did the Clintons do that? Or are you lot a bunch of "only Fox news tells the troof and all other news media are evil" crowd?

The Clinton Foundation steals Hatian relief money and there are also links to human trafficking. Nothing Trump has done even comes close to that level of evil and corruption. There is zero proof of Russian collusion. That's fake news.

I guess his misogynistic viewpoints don't matter either, right? Or that his government keep getting arrested one after another?

Trump can have whatever personal views he wants and it won't bother me as long as he's doing a good job doing what we elected him to do (which he is).

 

[Henry Spencer]

There is some truth in your statement, that the numbers were certainly trending in that direction, but there was an undeniable spike in economic growth when Trump was elected. After Trump took office, the economy saw more than a 4% growth rate (something Obama said was impossible, then later tried to take credit for). The unemployment rate is a direct result of the actions Trump took. By your logic, Trump would be responsible for any positive results in government years after he left office.



Trans people should worry less about joining the military and more about getting the mental health help they need. With that being said, I don't necessarily support Trump on this or against him. It's just not a big deal at all in my opinion.

The Clinton Foundation steals Hatian relief money and there are also links to human trafficking. Nothing Trump has done even comes close to that level of evil and corruption. There is zero proof of Russian collusion. That's fake news.



Trump can have whatever personal views he wants and it won't bother me as long as he's doing a good job doing what we elected him to do (which he is).[/QUOTE]

Well then. it's okay is Trump has spiteful views towards women then, cool. And Trans people need to get "mental health" help? What a horrendous outlook.

Basically the usual "I'm alright, Jack" mentality that is dime a dozen nowadays (as long as it benefits you what he's doing, to hell with everyone else).

Also, your claims about Clinton is no more different than the "fake news" about Trump. When these kind of stinks in media follow people around (like with both Trump family and Clinton family) it tends to be true when there's so many of them. Mueller is only doing his job and he's finding the government corrupt right to the core. tell me, what would you do if Trump is found guilty of collusion with the Russians and doing all sorts of dirty deals? Would it still be a "witch hunt"? trump made his own bed when he started calling the media "fake news" (he doesn't like the free press to be, you know, free) and the law enforcement agencies evil.

You're an outsider and you're getting all your info from sensationalist news reports. You have no idea how dirty and disgusting our politics really are, and how Trump is only demonized because he threatens to expose them all for the shit they are. Trump was a very much beloved celbrity figure in this country until the day he got into politics, featured in movies and TV and NOBDOY ever called him a racist... that's not a coincidence...


Hillary Clinton literally sold uranium, fucking uranium to Russia... in exchange for donations to her foundation... I can't even imagine Trump doing a more dirty deal...


And once again you have no idea what you are talking about. You are an outsider clinging to headlines. Trump is more than happy to let people from any country LEGALLY immigrate to this country...

I'm not clinging to headlines, I'm just, you know, looking at the news. Maybe you need to do that too. Just a thought. You're clearly a Republican, so why did you pretend to be "Independent" (clearly bullshit). Even an "outsider" like me can see that. And no offence or anything but your country is making the headlines over here. Not my fault we are seeing corruption and Trump all over it all the time, that's really down to your President. We don't get these kind of "headlines" from other rich countries. It's selling for a reason. The politics of your country have eked over into our own anyway (what with Brexit and all and the people all for it trying to get all buddy with Donald Trump and crew).

 

[Jigen]

Ah yes, the good ol' "both sides" argument. Bravo, you sure told me.

***Suspended for 1 week***

 

[Oregon Pacifist]

Well then. it's okay is Trump has spiteful views towards women then, cool. And Trans people need to get "mental health" help? What a horrendous outlook.

Basically the usual "I'm alright, Jack" mentality that is dime a dozen nowadays (as long as it benefits you what he's doing, to hell with everyone else).

Also, your claims about Clinton is no more different than the "fake news" about Trump. When these kind of stinks in media follow people around (like with both Trump family and Clinton family) it tends to be true when there's so many of them. Mueller is only doing his job and he's finding the government corrupt right to the core. tell me, what would you do if Trump is found guilty of collusion with the Russians and doing all sorts of dirty deals? Would it still be a "witch hunt"? trump made his own bed when he started calling the media "fake news" (he doesn't like the free press to be, you know, free) and the law enforcement agencies evil.

I'm not clinging to headlines, I'm just, you know, looking at the news. Maybe you need to do that too. Just a thought. You're clearly a Republican, so why did you pretend to be "Independent" (clearly bullshit). Even an "outsider" like me can see that. And no offence or anything but your country is making the headlines over here. Not my fault we are seeing corruption and Trump all over it all the time, that's really down to your President. We don't get these kind of "headlines" from other rich countries. It's selling for a reason. The politics of your country have eked over into our own anyway (what with Brexit and all and the people all for it trying to get all buddy with Donald Trump and crew).

I have registered in my state as an independent. I vote for whichever politicians most closely align with my beliefs. It just so happens that more often than not, Republicans fall into my belief system. I want a nation with a strong economy, where more goods are produced here and exported. I want a nation with strong border security while also protecting the freedoms of its people. The Democrats are not for these things.

The Clintons have lined their pockets using the money that was supposed to go to Haiti (https://geopolitics.co/2016/10/11/h...inton-foundation-stole-from-its-relief-funds/) much like how Bono of U2 donates only 1% of the money he raises to charity and puts the rest into his bank account.

The Clinton Foundation's connections to human trafficking are plenty if you look into it. There are articles like this one: https://dailycaller.com/2016/10/18/...ons-ties-to-suspected-human-organ-trafficker/ plus the fact that Bill Clinton flew around in a plane with Jeffery Epstein a LOT: https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-l...offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known

Trump has "spiteful views towards women"? I guess that explains why women have the lowest unemployment rate in the last 65 years. I suppose that was just another byproduct of Obama? Trump also has many women on his staff.

I also want to add that I think men who try to be women or little girls have a mental disorder and need help. Those are my views. Feel free to disagree with them or call it "horrendous" if it makes you feel better.

 

[Kodama]

And Trans people need to get "mental health" help? What a horrendous outlook.

Gender dismorphia is literally a mental health issue. I'm not saying what happened was right, but Trump made that decision because MILITARY OFFICIALS advised him to do so. Those people know much better than we do on such an issue. Again I'm not sure how I feel about it, I know several trans people that range from lunatic to perfectly awesome people, just like the rest of us. I think individual merits should have won out on that issue, but I don't blame Trump for doing what the experts told him to do.

I'm not clinging to headlines, I'm just, you know, looking at the news.

LMFAO, clearly...

Maybe you need to do that too. Just a thought.

I don't watch mainstream media, I get my news from unbiased sources that don't try to sucker me in with ridiculous headlines. American mainstream news is pure garbage, and it's international counterparts that you're watching aren't much better. They're filling you with negative garbage to keep you watching, and clearly it's working. You are the perfect consumer to them...

You're clearly a Republican, so why did you pretend to be "Independent" (clearly bullshit). Even an "outsider" like me can see that.

Except you're wrong, I'm actually more of a slightly left leaning libertarian, but I don't subscribe to any labels. Like the old meme says, I just want to get high and carry a gun at my best friend's gay wedding type of guy. I believe in personal responsibility, focus, discipline, respect... ya know... all the things Shenmue should have taught you. Don't tell me what I am when you don't even know what a republican is...

And no offence or anything but your country is making the headlines over here. Not my fault we are seeing corruption and Trump all over it all the time, that's really down to your President. We don't get these kind of "headlines" from other rich countries. It's selling for a reason. The politics of your country have eked over into our own anyway (what with Brexit and all and the people all for it trying to get all buddy with Donald Trump and crew).

LMFAO, the Brexit vote happened before Trump was voted into office. You're blaming him for Brexit now? And again, you're just clinging to headlines. You're blaming Trump for the fact that the media has been obsessed with him. Sometimes he actually makes the news, most of the time he sneezes and every media outlet analyzes his boogers. It's selling because perfect consumers like you eat it up. You read what suits your narrative...

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of Trump and his bullshit. He's an egomaniac that overcompensates way too much. But his existence is exposing all the stupid scummy people for what they are front and center, and it's glorious...